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[i am the bestest friend]

whats the best region in the game both in attack&defence and wealth and free lands and \speciel ity. i say lou yung for its size and its also sorounded with 2 gates and a harbor is in it and has a the largest free lands to build on it and expend but it has also the biggest number of troops in it when you take dong zhou you find somthing like 50000 troops inside and TONS of horses to train cavalry with them and it has a very big wealth after all


dong zhou has the best of the best warrior officers but many of them are horrible politicians including dong zhou himself. but he is my top favorite tyrrent warlord and one of the best skills are with him and he can lead very so MUCH TROOPS!!!!!! and he have many officers do and they can lead 11000 or 12000 soldiers at once and he have got the best of the best officer.... he is the mighty... he is the bravest....he is the one who killed his adopted father.... ITS LU BU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




but i dont actually find dong zhou ruling many good polticians

[scholar]

You'd be surprised how many good politicians he had in his force, it's just that Koei never decided to put them there.

The easiest place to defend and survive is Ru Nan. Other good places are Xiang Yang, Wan, Yunan/Jian Ning, Jiang Dong, Wu Wei, Han zhong, Zi Tong, Yong An, Xiang Yang, and Xia Pi.

[Imyourbaka]

Numbers don't mean anything, once I defended Han zhong with 9800 troops against cao caos 127000 troops. This game is more based on how you use your units not how much you have.

[Humble Hero]

Any city is a good city to defend from. But I suppose I favour Xia Pi of all of them. It has more then enough space to be productive, and the AI cannot make full use of either of the cities surrounding it.

The only reason I like this city over Luo Yang is that you have a proper choke point, rather then gates, and you dont have to contend with a city like Chang An.

[El Jefe]

Any city is a good city to defend from.

Any time one of these threads comes up, I always consider and often do throw in a response for good defensive cities, but lately I've been stumped to select just a handful because I generally have cities behind me. I'd like to say Xinye, Zitong, and Shouchun are my favorite cities to defend. But I usually take them from the same angle and thus don't have to worry about attacks from certain areas, and my defensive strategies when holding these in such situations is of a proportion comparable to a massacre.

That said, Jiangxia is never a good city from which to defend.

[Humble Hero]

Jiang Xia is good to defend from, but you need to take preventative measures immediately. Periodic patrols of the borders (when necessary, of course) make Jiang Xia easy enough to defend.

If you can trap people from Lu Jiang in that mountain pass, boats can really cut back on your losses defending from there

[El Jefe]

Oh, I'm sure it can realistically be defended, but it's a city that I've learned to never fear taking and just completely ignore until other vulnerable cities, like Lujiang, Chaisang, and Jianye, are secured. Then I immediately delegate it to the computer.

I suppose my judgment of the city is unfair, since I always end up taking out Wu as part of the end game, but Jiangxia is just too vulnerable from river attacks. Take my last assault on it. I'm playing Rival Warlords with a custom force and own a chunk of Yizhou and southern Jing. Liu Biao had lost ground and was holed up in Jiangxia and Changsha. All it took was 3 basic ships sent from Wuling with no relevant research completed a few rounds to leave Jiangxia in ruins. Changsha collapsed soon after, and I ignored Jiangxia. After a year or so, Sun Quan (Ce died in combat) finally decided to attack the city.

Several southern cities are extremely vulnerable to warships with the Invention tech fully researched, but Jiangxia is a sitting duck from month one. Top that off with swamps to the east that leave few fortification options and a bad facility layout and you've got what I consider the worst city defensively. I guess Puyang is comparable...

[Humble Hero]

Oh I agree, it is of all one of the hardest cities to defend from. Not just an endgame thing either. But it is still good. You just have to start using unorthodox tactics, and a garrison in the Docks so they can immediately retaliate to naval attacks.

The layout isnt too bad, its just in a bad position. Saving facilities (and if its late in the game, I find building as well) is a waste of time there.

Even with all these negative points, the city is still pretty good to defend from. You just have to mix up your ordinary game plan a bit

[He Xing]

I have made many a dynasty from the cities of Chang An and Luo Yang. I find them very good for starting.

[Ace]

Numbers don't mean anything, once I defended Han zhong with 9800 troops against cao caos 127000 troops. This game is more based on how you use your units not how much you have.

Numbers really don't mean anything. I did something similar. I protected Xu Chang with about 30,000 troops from Dong Zhuo's 80-90,000 troops.

[scholar]

Numbers really don't mean anything. I did something similar. I protected Xu Chang with about 30,000 troops from Dong Zhuo's 80-90,000 troops.

Thing is though, they kind of do. Granted I was able to defend Runan with 3000 troops, it's only because I had really good officers and lots of fortifications. If it was just me and a bunch of Cs, Bs, 70> stats then I think I would have needed 10,000 to go up against Cao Cao's cavalry charge,

[Dynasty Guy]

Anytime I start a game I prefer to do it in the Southern part of the map usually in some territory near or in Yi Province since it's usually easy to keep the number of fronts to fight on down to a minimum and the distance between the cities makes it easy to prepare for any defensive battles. A key for me since I usually wait for my enemies to exhaust themselves trying to get to me before I take the fight to them.

As for the Jiang Xia debate, It's a tough one since if you garrison the port and barricade the  mountain off to the east it is easy to defend against even the largest of enemy armies. My best battle there was holding off and routing a combined Sun Jian/Yuan Shu assault that had over a dozen units by plugging up the eastern mountain with walls on the northern path and 3 units of Archers and Pikes on the coastal one. Now on the other hand Jiang Xia is not capable of supporting a large force due to the arrangement of it's resource squares and the fact that you have to cover both land and sea in order to hold it means you need a sizable army there. Jiang Xia is almost entirely a battle of terrain since you can't set up that many defensive facilities either. Of course if you get caught on the west from Xin Ye then you have a real problem.

Thing is though, they kind of do. Granted I was able to defend Runan with 3000 troops, it's only because I had really good officers and lots of fortifications. If it was just me and a bunch of Cs, Bs, 70> stats then I think I would have needed 10,000 to go up against Cao Cao's cavalry charge,

I've pulled some big defenses, though I almost always utilize talented officers and their skills, rather then facilities or large defense forces. My best defense I think was holding off Sun Ce's two pronged land and sea attack on Ru Xu Kou which had only 500 men and three elite officers in it (don't remember who, though 2 were custom. They were elite but not gods) I killed over 30,000 of Sun Ce's troops before the port was overrun and I had to retreat with the remaining 100 men to Shou Chun.

Numbers mean NOTHING!

[scholar]

I think you missed the point of that post. I can finish off 18,000 troops with 1 soldier with Zhuge Liang and Ma Su in the unit.

I'm saying numbers don't matter as long as you have good officers. If it was just a bunch of Cs and Bs with no one above 70 in any stat then numbers need to be entered into the equation, we can't have a soldier of 1 going around trying to finish off units, they'll just die, get captured, or lose the ability to be used for a turn. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about.

You said three elite officers, would those officers be Huang Hao, Liu Shan, and finally Cen Hun? If not then you aren't understanding what I'm saying. I'm saying dirt poor officers need some substantial amount of soldiers. Granted I'm not talking even numbers to the enemy's, but maybe a third so I can work some trap magic and some fortifications. If not and you say you can hold off Sun Ce's 30,000 man army of Sun Ce, Taishi Ci, Huang Gai, SSX, and others with 500 troops divided down between Huang Hao, Liu Shan, and finally Cen Hun when you're talking about Ru Xu Kuo port (meaning no traps), then I'll relinquish everything I know about RTKXI. If not, trust what I say in the future.

[Dynasty Guy]

You're right, Scholar. I was actually looking more at the post above yours, and then I rushed through yours and didn't acknowledge the 2nd half of it (after 3000 at Ru Nan).

Cen Hun, Liu Shan, and Huang Hao huh? Yes anyone who could pull of my Ru Xu Kou Scenario with only those three would be god of ROTK 11, and most everyone would have to relenquish what they had originally thought of the game. Especially considering since the three couldn't stick together as a group either, someone's gotta get on a boat and hold off the Wu navy! (R.I.P Cen Hun and Huang Hao since Liu Chan always gets away)

In any case, sorry for the mistake. I actually perfectly understand the point you are making in your post. As for what "elite officers" means, CO's that amount to a Zhao Yun, a Qiao sister, and a Xun Yu.



 

[scholar]

That's an extraordinary combo with some of the best officers in the game...